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Cluster D Review Meeting on July 2, 2009:

Cluster D meeting to review Spiral 2 roadmap, and discuss Spiral 1 completion tasks, per attached files. (which have been updated)
Thursday, 7/2, 10am - 4pm
At BBN Technologies, Cambridge

Conference bridge
Webex

Attendees:

Ilia Baldine, Jeff Chase (phone)
Brian Levine, Brian Lynn
Prashant Shenoy, Michael Zink, David Irwin
Anish Aurora
Keren Bergman (phone), Franz Fidler (phone)

Chip Elliott, Aaron falk, Heidi Dempsey, Harry Mussman

Notes by Aaron Falk

Agenda:

10:00 Introductions and agenda review

10:05 Review of Cluster D Spiral 1 goals and completion tasks, as defined on June 11.

See attached word document at http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209%20%20ClusterD_Spiral1_Plan.doc and power point file at http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209%20%20ClusterD_Spiral1_Plan.ppt)
Document updated to reflect discussion at this meeting at http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209b%20%20ClusterD_Spiral1_Plan.doc

10:15 Review of Spiral 2 GENI goals and Cluster D Spiral 2 Roadmap Process

See attached power point files at http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/061109%20%20GENI%20Spiral2_Goals.ppt and http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209%20%20ClusterD%20-%20Spiral2_Roadmap_Process.ppt, and attached current roadmap document http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209b%20%20ClusterD_Spiral2_Goals_Roadmap.doc)

Next, each PI(s) will review their project. PLEASE bring no more than 6 slides to review:
1) Progress in year 1
2) Challenges in year 1
3) Progress towards integration with ORCA clearinghouse (broker) at RENCI per Spiral 1 plan (attached)
4) Progress towards connection of your facility with Internet2 backbone network (also NLR at RENCI)
5) Plans for experiments by outside GENI researchers by end of Spiral 1
6) Plans for Spiral 2 (year 2)

And, for each project, the GPO will review:
7) Current milestone status, using the wiki

10:25 ORCA/BEN project (Ilia Baldine, Jeff Chase)

wiki
slides
Notes, particularly concerning: plan to make ORCA a prodcution capability for BEN; towards requesting connections from Internet2; first experimenter to be Keren Bergman; could use more funding; would like GPO to help with documentation.

11:00 DOME project (Brian Levine, Mark Corner, Brian Lynn)

wiki
slides
Notes, particularly concerning: connection to Internet2; instrumented measurements (* consider comparison to ORBIT approach)(* consider comparison of disconnected approach to ORBIT/WiMAX); plans for use in "Intro to Networking" class in fall; ways to train students, e.g., tutorials; concerns about maintaining documents; concerns about supporting users vs system development; how to attract more experimenters, can GPO help (no), maybe NSF.

11:30 ViSE project wikislides (Prashant Shenoy, Michael Zink, David Irwin)

  • Plans: Experiment Examples
  • Sensor-centric experiments. E.g., comparing fidelity from Furuno, Raymarine, MA1 (students from Peurto Rico) to focus on ground truth verification and long-term data collection with the UMass trace repository. Peurto Rico very interested in low-infrastructure radars due to its geography. Have a PhD student going back to PR, might be a good GEC grant candidate. Virtualization of these systems might be of great interest to engineering communities, not just networking. PR is developing a student testbed with tight collaboration with UMass.
  • Long-distance wireless experiments such as looking at wireless BW over long-distance. One REU and one UMass undergrad. Doing experiments now, would like to migrate to GENI.
  • Longer term vision. Connect sensed data to cloud-based storage and processing. Run complete experiments: sensing + storage + processing. BEN is applying for some processing; has a state project for micro-rain radar

12:00 Lunch

1:00 Kansei project http://groups.geni.net/geni/wiki/KanseiSensorNet slides(Anish Aurora, Rajiv Ramnath, Hongwei Zhang)

  • Challenges
  • NSF doesn't have a way to pay for operations costs. Might want to have a workshop or other organized forum educate CISE on operations costs.

1:30 Measurement project wiki slides (Keren Bergman, Franz Fidler)

  • Discussion on monitoring
  • Jeff: hyperic may be a good tool that uses ganglia to monitor VM status, can be extended to other things than VM; have a student working on this; looking for input as to whether this is a good direction.
  • Ilia: have looked at PCP for a monitoring system. some concern that Hyperic may have an uncertain future as it was acquired last month. Have indicated to GMOC that there is a strong preference to developing a SOAP interface
  • Heidi: need to think about what data you want to expose and share
  • Anish: Kansei has an interface for getting experiment and substrate status.

2:00 Discussion of Cluster D integration thru end of Spiral 1

Current summary view, combining all projects (see attached word document http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209%20%20ClusterD_Spiral1_Plan.doc and power point file http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/070209%20%20ClusterD_Spiral1_Plan.ppt)
What are the biggest challenges? What coordination process should be used?

2:50 Break

3:00 Discussion of Cluster D Spiral 2 roadmap tasks, grouped by Spiral 2 goals

Current summary view "Cluster D Spiral 2 Roadmap" document after rating (H, M, L) of each task for importance

  • Chip: central goal of Spiral 2 is live experimentation; won't be easy; everything else is secondary
  • Experiments: Want to see experiments of end-to-end systems, e.g., matching networks with servers, sensors with clouds, content with buses, radars & buses
  • Identity management: DOME plans to plug into some foreign authentication manager. GPO plans to try to go to Shib & InCommon, since it looks like it might take hold broadly. Rough mental model is that in the early days, almost anybody can use this. Need ways to say 'these people are out' but probably don't need elaborate policies early on. GPO is interested in knowing whether folks believe moving to Shibboleth is a bad idea. Shib has been most successful for managing user access to a portal, seems good for GENI as far as that goes and that's what ORCA uses it for. What that user is allowed to do is another issue and not currently handled by Shib attributes. Shib is only starting to handle delegated authority, still early days.
  • Improved integration.
  • Need to improve distribution of keys to containers. Currently manual, ugly, error prone, requires documentation but will work until container reaches 10's. Currently no privacy. Could be added by using HTTPS on transport.
  • Measurements
  • DOME collects location information on buses but needs a solution on providing it to GENI users. Has also been thinking about longitudinal studies, Brian will send Chip a copy of a paper.
  • ERTM will prototype hardware, interface it with BEN, integrate with ORCA.
  • Interoperability. Want to avoid CF balkanization.

4:00 Adjourn

Submitted by:

Harry E. Mussman Sr. Systems Engineer - GENI Project Office BBN Technologies 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02138 (617) 873-4282 - Office (781) 266-8479 - Mobile (617) 873-4888 - Fax hmussman@bbn.com www.geni.net

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