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+See http://groups.geni.net/geni/wiki/NetworkRSpecMiniWorkshop for sides
+:15 intro slides (Aaron)
 High level motivation goals for spiral 1. See Aaron's slides. Demonstrate
+'''See http://groups.geni.net/geni/wiki/NetworkRSpecMiniWorkshop for sides'''
+== Intro ''Aaron Falk'' ==
+High level motivation goals for spiral 1. See Aaron Falk's slides. Demonstrate
 end-to-end slices across representative samples of the major substrates and
 technologies envisioned in GENI. Goal for each cluster is to demonstrate
 …
 at the end of spiral 1
 (John Turner) What is an "end"?
+''John Turner'' What is an "end"?
 Loosely defined, but think from perspective of experimenter.
 (Larry Peterson) Key bar is two or more aggregates sharing a packet?
+''Larry Peterson'' Key bar is two or more aggregates sharing a packet?
 No, aggregates, not in terms of apckets
+(James Sterbenz) Not single slice across ''all'' of them in year 1, pairwise is
 sufficient
+''James Sterbenz'' Not single slice across ''all'' of them in year 1,
+pairwise is sufficient
 Only pairwise would be a dissapointment. Really want to show that it's
 …
 spiral 1?
+(John Turner) When you talk about an end-to-end slice, do you have a prescription for
 what the data path looks like?
 You're in cluster B, a candidate slice would include internet2 vlans
+''John Turner'' When you talk about an end-to-end slice, do you have a
+prescription for what the data path looks like?
+You're in cluster B, a candidate slice would include Internet2 VLANs
 connecting spp nodes and !GpENI and Stanford.
+(John Turner) Sounds like internet2 vlans on an spp somehow ending up at stanford
+GENI will always have a hodge-podge of connectivity. For now we'll have a set
+of preconfigured fixed vlans in internet 2.
+(John Turner) VLANS in I2 are being provided by Rob Ricci, not I2. I don't
+want to pick on Stanford per se, but it's not clear how we're going to make
+any connection happen.
+(James Sterbenz) Also what sort of experiments will tie all of these things
+together, given the disparate technologies
+(Larry Peterson) this is what will come out of discussions today
+(4) is raising two questions -- what capabilities will we have from backbones
+in spiral 1
+(Camilo Viecco) are any clusters also using NLR?
+(Guido) there is potentially more than one I2 backbone
+(Rob Ricci) the ones we're handing out today are between individual sites. I2
+is providing a 10Gb wavelength and we're putting ethernet switches on top of
+that wave. We'll be making VLANs on that wave without any I2 involvement.
+(Ivan Seskar) also an issue when particular locations will be connected to the
+wave
+''John Turner'' Sounds like Internet2 VLANs on an spp somehow ending
+up at stanford
+GENI will always have a hodge-podge of connectivity. For now we'll
+have a set of preconfigured fixed VLANs in internet 2.
+''John Turner'' VLANS in Internet2 are being provided by Rob Ricci,
+not Internet2. I don't want to pick on Stanford per se, but it's not
+clear how we're going to make any connection happen.
+''James Sterbenz'' Also what sort of experiments will tie all of these
+things together, given the disparate technologies
+''Larry Peterson'' this is what will come out of discussions today
+What capabilities will we have from backbones in spiral 1?
+''Camilo Viecco'' are any clusters also using NLR?
+''Guido Appenzeller'' there is potentially more than one Internet2 backbone
+''Rob Ricci'' the ones we're handing out today are between individual
+sites. Internet2 is providing a 10Gb wavelength and we're putting
+ethernet switches on top of that wave. We'll be making VLANs on that
+wave without any Internet2 involvement.
+''Ivan Seskar'' also an issue when particular locations will be
+connected to the wave
 There is a ''general'' problem here. Let's not get lost in the weeds.
+(Larry Peterson) Simple observation. As diverse as these technologies are, we
+have IP addresses for all of them. We can fall back to using IP (tunnels) for
+everything.
+End users can access GENI experimentation this way. But we have set as a goal
+non-IP, not layered over IP connectivity for GENI.
+(Rob Ricci) Maybe we should do with !!GpENI -- get a fiber from the local I2 POP
+to our campus.
+(John Turner) From my experience the I2 folks will push back not make this easy
+Yes, we've got some things to work out here. However, to be concrete, those
+who have direct connectivity in sprial 1 will be expected to demonstrate the
+ability to stitch together VLANs.
+(Ivan Seskar) Can GPO be more involved with these discussions with I2 / NLR?
+''Larry Peterson'' Simple observation. As diverse as these
+technologies are, we have IP addresses for all of them. We can fall
+back to using IP ''tunnels) for everything.
+End users can access GENI experimentation this way. But we have set as
+a goal non-IP, not layered over IP connectivity for GENI.
+''Rob Ricci'' Maybe we should do with !!GpENI -- get a fiber from the
+local Internet2 POP to our campus.
+''John Turner'' From my experience the Internet2 folks will push back
+not make this easy
+Yes, we've got some things to work out here. However, to be concrete,
+those who have direct connectivity in sprial 1 will be expected to
+demonstrate the ability to stitch together VLANs.
+''Ivan Seskar'' Can GPO be more involved with these discussions with
+Internet2 / NLR?
 Yes, we have full time staff who would be happy to help work things out with
+I2, NLR, etc.
+(Ilya) can we organize and get some shared stimulus money to wire up campuses?
+(Chip) My understanding is that every campus is supposed to make a single
+Internet2, NLR, etc.
+''Ilya Baldine'' can we organize and get some shared stimulus money to wire up
+campuses?
+''Chip Elliott'' My understanding is that every campus is supposed to make a single
 proposal to NSF.
+:35 Network Cofiguration use case slides (Aaron)
+Sliver creation. First makes reservations of stuff around the edge, but now
+needs to interconnect aggregates. (Assumption is that physical connectivity
+between these aggregates exists.) Then researcher passes rspec requesting
+VLANs between aggregates, then asks for the topology to be set up.
+== Network Cofiguration Use Case ''Aaron Falk'' ==
+Sliver creation. First makes reservations of stuff around the edge,
+but now needs to interconnect aggregates. (Assumption is that
+physical connectivity between these aggregates exists.) Then
+researcher passes rspec requesting VLANs between aggregates, then asks
+for the topology to be set up.
 - do we need a standard method to describe these network coordinates, or are
   they just blobs?
+they just blobs?
 - does it go into the rspec?
 - are there now constraints on the order in which networks can be added to a
   slice?
+slice?
 - how does it work with multiple networks in a series?
 …
 this morning.
+(John Turner) let's put this in as concrete terms as possible, I have a very difficult
+time connecting your abstract diagrams with my cluster or any other cluster.
+''John Turner'' let's put this in as concrete terms as possible, I
+have a very difficult time connecting your abstract diagrams with my
+cluster or any other cluster.
 We need to figure out what people need to do to support this by the fall.
 …
 goal. Entire cluster is going to be evaluated on getting this to work.
+:45 Enterprise GENI view of the world, (Rob Sherwood)
+== Enterprise GENI view ''Rob Sherwood'' ==
 !OpenFlow overview
 …
 connectivity
 (Chip) have you thought about measurement yet?
+''Chip Elliott'' have you thought about measurement yet?
 Built into openflow -- byte and packet counters. With a controller you can
 redirect flows through a measurement box.
+(Guido) We haven't thought it through in full detail, but you get a fair amount
+of control from !OpenFlow, can look deep into a packet.
+We don't really have nodes in a traditional sense, have a datapath ID (i.e.
+MAC addr off switch), list of interfaces. We don't "log into" a switch.
+(Guido) as soon as you reserve a switch, the switch connects back to the URL of
+your controller and the switch starts asking your controller for
+instructions.
+(Camilo Viecco) Do you have one user at a time, or multiple users?
+''Guido Appenzeller'' We haven't thought it through in full detail, but you get a
+fair amount of control from !OpenFlow, can look deep into a packet.
+We don't really have nodes in a traditional sense, have a datapath ID
+(i.e.  MAC addr off switch), list of interfaces. We don't "log into" a
+switch.
+''Guido Appenzeller'' as soon as you reserve a switch, the switch connects back to
+the URL of your controller and the switch starts asking your
+controller for instructions.
+''Camilo Viecco'' Do you have one user at a time, or multiple users?
 You have one user at a time. Default rule is if we don't have a rule for a
 packet, a message gets sent to the controller.
+(Guido) If you connect to something that is not part of your aggregate, it's
+represented differently. This describes internal references.
+''Guido Appenzeller'' If you connect to something that is not part of your
+aggregate, it's represented differently. This describes internal
+references.
 Can think of !FlowSpace as header, "field=value" pairs plus actions. Packet
 …
 Ex: all web traffic, except to main server:
+{{{
     ip_src = 1.2.3.4 tcp_dport=80 :: DENY
     ip_src=1.2.3/24 tcp_dport=80 :: ALLOW
+(Guido) can say "ipv6 goes to this controller, ipv4 goes to that controller."
+}}}
+''Guido Appenzeller'' can say "ipv6 goes to this controller, ipv4 goes to that controller."
 Rspec - opt-in. How do we express what users experimenters want to allow in?
 …
 How do we do this between slivers?
 Use case: "gibev me our planetlab nodes and the E-GENI network that connects
+Use case: "gibv me our !PlanetLab nodes and the E-GENI network that connects
 them." Need to know how to communicate that off of this switch, off of this
 node, is a point of attachment.
+(Aaron Falk) if you've got multiple slivers on a single planetlab node, how do you
+assign them to an egeni node? what does planetlab demultiplex on?
+(Larry Peterson) tcp ports. we've been lazy in how you lock down ports, you claim a port on
+a wiki.
+(Aaron Falk) There is a bootstrapping problem wth planetlab and E-GENI. We need to
+figure this out.
+(Chip) do you have both openflow and planetlab nodes in the same room?
+''Aaron Falk'' if you've got multiple slivers on a single planetlab
+node, how do you assign them to an egeni node? what does planetlab
+demultiplex on?
+''Larry Peterson'' tcp ports. we've been lazy in how you lock down
+ports, you claim a port on a wiki.
+''Aaron Falk'' There is a bootstrapping problem wth planetlab and
+E-GENI. We need to figure this out.
+''Chip Elliott'' do you have both openflow and planetlab nodes in the same room?
 I do not.
 (Ivan Seskar), (Nick Feamster) have both planetlab nodes and openflow
+''Ivan Seskar'', ''Nick Feamster) have both planetlab nodes and openflow
 switches, but they are not connected
+(Larry Peterson) we could have a global allocation of ports, tunnel numbers,
 etc., if we just have a global list.
 (Guido) we want a dynamic mapping to slices
+(Ted Faber) If yo're going to define slices in the rspec, have to use globally
 understood parts of the flowspec, internally to the aggregate switches may
 need to be topoology aware
+:30 Robert Ricci:  Where We Are
+''Larry Peterson'' we could have a global allocation of ports, tunnel
+numbers, etc., if we just have a global list.
+''Guido Appenzeller'' we want a dynamic mapping to slices
+''Ted Faber'' If yo're going to define slices in the rspec, have to
+use globally understood parts of the flowspec, internally to the
+aggregate switches may need to be topoology aware
+== ProtoGENI CF View ''Rob Ricci'' ==
 Working prototype rspec
 …
 Supports nodes, interfaces, links.
 Used to allocate slivers -- raw PCs, vms, vlans, tunnels. Expressed in XML.
+Used to allocate slivers -- raw PCs, vms, VLANs, tunnels. Expressed in XML.
 Tunnels are cross-aggregate. Slice Emnbedding Servive that understands it.
 …
 than one.
 Gives to CM, CM signs (generates ticket), '''Manifest''' returned by CM, adds
 details like access method, MACs, etc.
+Gives to CM, CM signs (generates ticket), '''Manifest''' returned by
+CM, adds details like access method, MACs, etc.
 Four types, similar but not identical.
 …
 Discussion of how to do what is essentially the travel agent problem.
-[John Duerig]
 Looking at the rspec as a mapping between the requested sliver and the
 physical resources.
 (Aaron Falk) What does nick need to do with the bgpmux to use this?
+''Aaron Falk'' What does nick need to do with the bgpmux to use this?
 We're always adding information, never removing information advertisements
 …
 A sliver uniquely identiied by (slice ID, virtual ID, CM ID)
+(Aaron Falk) If what I'm advertising is a collection of stuff, what do I advertise?
+''Aaron Falk'' If what I'm advertising is a collection of stuff, what
+do I advertise?
 If you don't want to show me the details of your network, it's is not our
 design center.
+(Aaron Falk) but I2 won't run an AM, won't identify all the optical switches
 along the path
 we'll advertise "here's an enet switch, here's another enet switch", and
+''Aaron Falk'' but Internet2 won't run an AM, won't identify all the
+optical switches along the path
+We'll advertise "here's an enet switch, here's another enet switch", and
 won't say anything about the topology beneath it, since it's dynamic and out
 of our control.
 …
 #s, unless translation is possible), Assumption is that cross-aggregate
 (Nick Feamster) VINI has rspec to create tunnels between virtual nodes, but
+''Nick Feamster'' VINI has rspec to create tunnels between virtual nodes, but
 need one to connect VINI to mux, nether VINI or !ProtoGeni
+(Nick Feamster) is there one rspec that's going to say "I need a virtual node
 that is a tunnel to this mux"?
+(laughter)
+''Nick Feamster'' is there one rspec that's going to say "I need a
+virtual node that is a tunnel to this mux"?
+''laughter''
 this is all typed, types are well-known device classes (e.g. openflow
 …
 its links are type "ipv4".
 (Guido) You're assuming these connections are always layer 2? What if it's
+''Guido Appenzeller'' You're assuming these connections are always layer 2? What if it's
 something else?
 …
 Links can cross aggregate boundaries -- nodes may not.
+(Ivan Seskar) Said "node cannot cross aggregate" -- but this is common in wireless,
+e.g. wifi and wimax.
+(Aaron Falk) Ah, the ''node'' will be in one aggregate, will have two different
 kinds of links out (via different carriers, etc.)
+''Ivan Seskar'' Said "node cannot cross aggregate" -- but this is
+common in wireless, e.g. wifi and wimax.
+''Aaron Falk'' Ah, the ''node'' will be in one aggregate, will have
+two different kinds of links out (via different carriers, etc.)
 Disconnect -- some people think in terms of nodes, some think in terms of
 …
 a. client negoitates with each CM, rspec is the medium.
 b. cms coordinate among themselves, using a ''new'' standardized control plane
 API. Rspec ''could'' be the medium.
+b. cms coordinate among themselves, using a ''new'' standardized
+control plane API. Rspec ''could'' be the medium.
 c. Untrusted intermediaty negotiates for client, intermediate has no privs
 …
 intermediary and CMs. Rspec ''could'' be the medium.
 (Aaron Falk) Would Nick's dynamic tunnel server be an example of (b)?
+''Aaron Falk'' Would Nick's dynamic tunnel server be an example of (b)?
 Yes
 …
 oblivious, only CMs talk to intermediary, negotiation information held by CM.
+(Aaron Falk) is this consistent with DRAGON approach?
+(John Tracy) yes, generally -- I've got info in my slides.
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+break
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+Larry Peterson: Resource Specifications and End-to-End Slices
+''Aaron Falk'' is this consistent with DRAGON approach?
+''John Tracy'' yes, generally -- I've got info in my slides.
+== PlanetLab: Resource Specifications / End-to-End Slices ''Larry Peterson'' ==
 This is kind of high level.
 I'm going to argue we have a bunch of nodes. It might be the case that some of
+these nodes are special -- e.g., underneath them they have a layer 2 technology they
+want to take advantage of.
+I'm going to argue we have a bunch of nodes. It might be the case that
+some of these nodes are special -- e.g., underneath them they have a
+layer 2 technology they want to take advantage of.
 Some of these nodes are going to be part of other aggregates that have special
 capabilities, e.g. !OpenFlow aggregate nodes, VINI aggregate nodes.
+(Christopher Small GPO) so a node is a member of an aggregate for each kind of
 network it is on?
+''Christopher Small GPO'' so a node is a member of an aggregate for
+each kind of network it is on?
 A node is controlled by only one aggregate at a time.
 My definition of a node is something I can dump code into. "Clouds" export an
+aggregate manager interface. I can say "set up a circuit between node A and
 node B".
+My definition of a node is something I can dump code into. "Clouds"
+export an aggregate manager interface. I can say "set up a circuit
+between node A and node B".
 VINI is a cloud of nodes. Enterprise GENI is a cloud.
+The reason I want to look at the world this way, is that a bunch of nodes
+already have a functioning interconnect, the internet. The assumption that I
+need across two aggregate boundaries is that I have shared some dmux key
+across the boundary, so there's a global allocation of these keys.
+The reason I want to look at the world this way, is that a bunch of
+nodes already have a functioning interconnect, the internet. The
+assumption that I need across two aggregate boundaries is that I have
+shared some dmux key across the boundary, so there's a global
+allocation of these keys.
 The world is a ''whole'' lot simpler if everyone is reachable via a shared id
 …
 this all work more easily.
+(Aaron Falk) You're assuming that there is one of these things between each pair -- what
 if you have to go across three links?
 It's complicating life a lot ( for the researcher ) to have to deal with all
+pairwise layer 2 possibilities. Give me some guarantees about latency,
+failure, bandwidth, independent of what layers of encapsulation I do, is the
 key to what the researcher wants to do.
+''Aaron Falk'' You're assuming that there is one of these things
+between each pair -- what if you have to go across three links?
+It's complicating life a lot (for the researcher) to have to deal
+with all pairwise layer 2 possibilities. Give me some guarantees about
+latency, failure, bandwidth, independent of what layers of
+encapsulation I do, is the key to what the researcher wants to do.
 I'm not removing the capability of working with different kinds of links, just
 abstracting it away.
 (Ted Faber) Can you view this without having IP tunneling?
+''Ted Faber'' Can you view this without having IP tunneling?
 I view connecting via something lower than IP that it's enough more difficult
 …
 Jennifer (who is interested in IP networks) is happy with this.
+We have built VINI and we have built !PlanetLab. Nobody's coming to VINI to use
+layer 2 circuits. They use VINI for the guarantees, not layer 2-level hacking.
+(Rob Ricci) I have a theory that people aren't using VINI for this is because they're
+using emulab. A significant minority do experiments ''below'' IP. Playing around
+with ethernet bridging, alternatives to IP, ... Still a minority, but we have
+them.
+We have built VINI and we have built !PlanetLab. Nobody's coming to
+VINI to use layer 2 circuits. They use VINI for the guarantees, not
+layer 2-level hacking.
+''Rob Ricci'' I have a theory that people aren't using VINI for this
+is because they're using emulab. A significant minority do experiments
+''below'' IP. Playing around with ethernet bridging, alternatives to
+IP, ... Still a minority, but we have them.
 There are a couple of reasons people aren't using VINI in large numbers, but
 there are an awful lot who are most interested in predictable link behavior.
+(Ivan Seskar) Most of the orbit experimenters don't care about IP at all. But that's the
 edge.
+''Ivan Seskar'' Most of the orbit experimenters don't care about IP at
+all. But that's the edge.
 That's a good point. I'd view ORBIT as another cloud (another aggregate).
+(Ted Faber) If you try to tunnel a MAC over IP, well, it doesn't work very well. Once
+you go up to layer 3, you've disrupted layer 2 sufficiently that you can't
+necessarily run the experiments you want to run.
+''Ted Faber'' If you try to tunnel a MAC over IP, well, it doesn't
+work very well. Once you go up to layer 3, you've disrupted layer 2
+sufficiently that you can't necessarily run the experiments you want
+to run.
 As a consequence of this, there may be aggregate-specific experiments.
 …
 have)
+Have WSDL version of the interface (program-heavy), also XSD version (data heavy)
+Have WSDL version of the interface (program-heavy), also XSD version
+(data heavy)
 Backing off of pushing massive nested rspec on you.
 …
 Adopted simple model:
+{{{
         RSpec = !GetResources()
+}}}
 returns list of all resources available
+{{{
         !SetResources(RSpec)
+}}}
 acquire all resources
 …
 Only way today is
+{{{
      while (true)
        if !SetResources(RSpec)
          break
+}}}
 Doesn't neessarily terminate.
+Aggregate returns capacity (what it will say yes to in XSD) and policy (how to
+interpret the capacity in XSLT). P(Request, Capacity) -> True means request
+will be honored. P(Request, Capacity) -> False means request will not be
+honored.
+Examples:
+Aggregate returns capacity (what it will say yes to in XSD) and policy
+(how to interpret the capacity in XSLT). P(Request, Capacity) -> True
+means request will be honored. P(Request, Capacity) -> False means
+request will not be honored.  Examples:
 VINI today
+[[[
      P(R, C) -> true if R and C are the same graph
+}}}
 VINI tomorrow
+{{{
      P(R, C) -> true if R is a subset of C
+}}}
 !PlanetLab today
+{{{
           P(R, C) -> true if R is a subset of C and site sliver count OK
+(Nick Feamster) Is there a notion of time in an rspec?
+}}}
+''Nick Feamster'' Is there a notion of time in an rspec?
 Yes
 …
 Discussion of using pyton vs XSLT for this.
+(Aaron Falk) We're off track, you've gotten us off into rspec reconcilliation.
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+Lunch
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+Ilya: experimenting with ontologies for multi-layer network slicing
+''Aaron Falk'' We're off track, you've gotten us off into rspec
+reconcilliation.
+== ORCA, BEN, NDL-OWL ''Ilya Baldine'' ==
+Ilya Baldine: experimenting with ontologies for multi-layer network slicing
 Need a way to describe what we have (substrate), what we want (request), what
 …
 we aren't the first to face this: netowkr marjup language working group
 (NML-WG). Participants include I2, ESnet (!PerfSONAR model) Dante/ GN2.
+(NML-WG). Participants include Internet2, ESnet (!PerfSONAR model) Dante/ GN2.
 University Amsterdam (NDL)
 …
 Goals -- more description languages, meaurement, cloud, wireless, etc.
 (Ted Faber) My concern is that it seems very detailed. More detail than we need?
 (Ivan Seskar) Example: give me a linear topology of nodes
 (Aaron Falk) Assume there are tools that translate high-level descr into this.
+''Ted Faber'' My concern is that it seems very detailed. More detail than we need?
+''Ivan Seskar'' Example: give me a linear topology of nodes
+''Aaron Falk'' Assume there are tools that translate high-level descr into this.
 I don't think people will point and click their way to this.
 (Chip) Glyph could be federated into GENI and vice versa
+''Chip Elliott'' Glyph could be federated into GENI and vice versa
 We're working on it.
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+:15pm
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+MAX/DRAGON view, Chris Tracy
+== MAX/DRAGON ''Chris Tracy'' ==
 SOAP-based GENI aggregate manager.
 …
 an apache service, uses WSDL (web services API).
 (Larry Peterson) We have a SOAP interface now, too, should be able to
+''Larry Peterson'' We have a SOAP interface now, too, should be able to
 interoperate.
 …
 !PlanetLab controller.
 (Chip) is !OpenFlow currently using same or different SOAP interface?
 (Larry Peterson) It's a subset, we need to have the discussion and get them in sync
+''Chip Elliott'' is !OpenFlow currently using same or different SOAP interface?
+''Larry Peterson'' It's a subset, we need to have the discussion and get them in sync
 We've mostly tried to stick with what was in the slice facility architecture
 …
 We want this aggregate manager to be able ot manage anything on the net.
+(Aaron Falk) This aggregate manager box isn't just a bunch of functions, doing some work
+to make sure things are allocated in a coherent manner
+You can go to this AM and run "list capabilities" or "get nodes" and pass in a
+filter spec (give me all the nodes that can do both dragon and planetlab).
+Returns a controller URL so you can go talk to the controller for more info.
+''Aaron Falk'' This aggregate manager box isn't just a bunch of
+functions, doing some work to make sure things are allocated in a
+coherent manner
+You can go to this AM and run "list capabilities" or "get nodes" and
+pass in a filter spec (give me all the nodes that can do both dragon
+and planetlab).  Returns a controller URL so you can go talk to the
+controller for more info.
 Code is published on the website, instances will be site-specific (aggregate
 …
 Wrote WSDL file by hand based on SFA. wsdl2java generated Java skeleton code.
+(http://geni.dragon.maxgigapop.net:8080/axis2/services/AggregateGENI?wsdl demo
+using a generic SOAP Client)
+(Chip) Nick is this the AM you should be using?
+(Rob Ricci) in our case we haven't described our interface as a WSDL
+(Rob Sherwood) there are a lot of WSDL tools you can use
+(Opens
+http://geni.dragon.maxgigapop.net:8080/axis2/services/AggregateGENI?wsdl
+demo using a generic SOAP Client)
+''Chip Elliott'' Nick is this the AM you should be using?
+''Rob Ricci'' in our case we haven't described our interface as a WSDL
+''Rob Sherwood'' there are a lot of WSDL tools you can use
 The code for this (svn repo) is pointed to in the slides (p. 11?)
 …
 layer 2, not cross-layer allocation.
+(Chip) the GPO architecture would have a central clearinghouse, messages going up
 and down; in this the messages go across.
+''Chip Elliott'' the GPO architecture would have a central clearinghouse,
+messages going up and down; in this the messages go across.
 (OGF26 presentation NDL working group, Multilayer NDL presentation by Freek
 …
 This is GMPLS inspired, done with signaling via web services.
 (Yufeng Xin) Who issues cross boundary configurations?
+''Yufeng Xin'' Who issues cross boundary configurations?
 Once there's agreement over which VLAN we're terminating on, each aggregate
 will do it.
 (Chip) how baked is this? Used 10 times a day?
+''Chip Elliott'' how baked is this? Used 10 times a day?
 Hundreds of times a month. Solid. Pretty much always works.
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+Break
+----------------------------------------------------------------
+Aaron
+== Planning ''Aaron Falk'' ==
 What will each cluster be doing to reach the goal of cross-aggregate slices by
 the end of spiral 1? What are the inter-project dependencies?
+(Larry Peterson) you're forcing us into realtime project negotiation here. I
+think we ought to do as much as we can assuming IP as the interconnect. It
 works for some, maybe not all -- !GpENI? SPP boxes?
 (John Turner) users can log into each and allocate by hand. No more explicit
+''Larry Peterson'' you're forcing us into realtime project negotiation
+here. I think we ought to do as much as we can assuming IP as the
+interconnect. It works for some, maybe not all -- !GpENI? SPP boxes?
+''John Turner'' users can log into each and allocate by hand. No more explicit
 coordination is required to make it work.
 What's needed to get there from here?
 (James Sterbenz) From our perspective stitching together with IP works for
+''James Sterbenz'' From our perspective stitching together with IP works for
 now, but long term for GENI to succeed need to support more.
 Is doing this by hand workable? Does this work for everyone?
 (Chris Tracy) We can provision nodes via DRAGON
+(John Turner) For both !GpENI and DRAGON we can terminate a connection that we
+have VLANs defined on. There is a non-trivial amount of control software that
+we need to write but we have other things to do first, like getting systems
 deployed.
+''Chris Tracy'' We can provision nodes via DRAGON
+''John Turner'' For both !GpENI and DRAGON we can terminate a
+connection that we have VLANs defined on. There is a non-trivial
+amount of control software that we need to write but we have other
+things to do first, like getting systems deployed.
 Goal is constructing end-to-end slices, not having it done automagically.
 …
 stanford campus.
 (Guido) I think IP is a good common denominator for connecting aggregates for
+''Guido Appenzeller'' I think IP is a good common denominator for connecting aggregates for
 now. If we want to scale this to hundreds of aggregates this won't work.
 …
 connections.
 (John Turner) Did a version of this for GEC3.
+''John Turner'' Did a version of this for GEC3.
 Yes, but we need this for the cluster. Nobody has put onto a single sheet of
 paper all the things that need to be done to do this.
 (John Turner) We all connect to the outside world via Internet2.
 We have our own wave on I2. There are not routers on it. Want to draw a
+''John Turner'' We all connect to the outside world via Internet2.
+We have our own wave on Internet2. There are not routers on it. Want to draw a
 distinction between our access-to-the-outside-world and the GENI backbone.
 Goal is to demonstrate end-to-end slices across a range of technologies.
 (Chris Tracy) Are you in DC yet?
 (Robert Ricci) There will be within a small number of weeks.
 Action: Chris Tracy will get into the Internet2 cage, and will pull a cable
 between DRAGON and SPP (?).
+''Chris Tracy'' Are you in DC yet?
+''Rob Ricci'' There will be within a small number of weeks.
+'''Action: Chris Tracy will get into the Internet2 cage, and will pull a cable
+between DRAGON and SPP (?).'''
 Internet2 has told us we may be able to get access to get people from DCN to
 the GENI wave.
 (Rob Sherwood) What are the right interfaces? We are in LA, Houston, and NY,
+''Rob Sherwood'' What are the right interfaces? We are in LA, Houston, and NY,
 are adding DC.
+(Chris Tracy) How is !GpENI going to connect to Internet2 DCN or the GENI wave?
+(James Sterbenz) to maxgigapop, our equipment is in the internet2 pop in
+''Chris Tracy'' How is !GpENI going to connect to Internet2 DCN or the
+GENI wave?
+''James Sterbenz'' to maxgigapop, our equipment is in the Internet2 pop in
 Kansas City.
 (Chip) How much will this cost?
 (James Sterbenz) Will take action item to find out how much this will cost.
 (Robert Ricci) You need to determine this quickly, we have a switch going in
+''Chip Elliott'' How much will this cost?
+''James Sterbenz'' Will take action item to find out how much this will cost.
+''Rob Ricci'' You need to determine this quickly, we have a switch going in
 in the next couple of weeks. We need to talk.
+Action: Rob, James, Heidi coordinate on Kansas City Internet2 connection
+Action: Aaron will send email to Rob and James to make sure they can contact
+each other via email.
+'''Action: Rob, James, Heidi coordinate on Kansas City Internet2 connection'''
+'''Action: Aaron Falk will send email to Rob and James to make sure
+they can contact each other via email.'''
 MAX connects to NLR.
+Action: Guido, John Turner will write a one-page high level list of the
+actions one needs to take to configure a slice.
 (Robert Ricci) We're already doing this, more or less. It's done with
+'''Action: Guido Appenzeller, John Turner will write a one-page high
+level list of the actions one needs to take to configure a slice.'''
+''Rob Ricci'' We're already doing this, more or less. It's done with
 tunnels. Once we get set up in Internet2 POPs. Plan outlined on his last slide
 shows how to get VLANs from campus to campus.
 (Robert Ricci) Kentucky, CMU are already in. UML PEN shouldn't be too hard.
+''Rob Ricci'' Kentucky, CMU are already in. UML PEN shouldn't be too hard.
 The picture will be very helpful
 (Robert Ricci) It was on my poster at the last GEC.
+Action: Robert Ricci will pull together the picture.
+''Rob Ricci'' It was on my poster at the last GEC.
+'''Action: Rob Ricci will pull together the picture.'''
 Cluster D, the impression that I've got is that you're all pretty integrated
 …
 to BEN?
 (Ilya) Technically we know some of the problems are. GPO committed us to being
+''Ilya Baldine'' Technically we know some of the problems are. GPO committed us to being
 an NLR based cluster. UMass is working to get sone VLANs, but they are a
 limited resource.  We are trying to figure out how to get to Charlotte
 (Internet2 terminates there) from RTP.  Maybe MPLS or VLAN from RENCI BEN POP
+''Internet2 terminates there) from RTP.  Maybe MPLS or VLAN from RENCI BEN POP
 to Intenet2.
 …
 Let's get this picture so we can figure out where the gaps are.
+(Ilya) My main problem is that there will be costs associated with connecting
 us to Internet2. We don't know how much.
 (Harry) Does it make sense to draw a picture of BEN, NLR, and MAX?
 (Ilya) I'd like to do this, let's talk about this.
+Action: Harry and Ilya will talk about this.
+''Ilya Baldine'' My main problem is that there will be costs associated with
+connecting us to Internet2. We don't know how much.
+''Harry Mussman'' Does it make sense to draw a picture of BEN, NLR, and MAX?
+''Ilya Baldine'' I'd like to do this, let's talk about this.
+'''Action: Harry and Ilya Baldine will talk about this.'''
 Cluster E?
 (Ivan Seskar) Hey, we're done. We're on the same campus. Except for the air
+gap; we need to get someone to pull a cable up six floors from where Internet2
 terminates and where we are.
+''Ivan Seskar'' Hey, we're done. We're on the same campus. Except for
+the air gap; we need to get someone to pull a cable up six floors from
+where Internet2 terminates and where we are.
 Cluster A?
+(Ted Faber) We're trying to do some relevant end-to-end work. Hook up to the
+DCN, plugged into a DETERLab node on one end, ISI East on the other. Working
+on the expanded authorization work we have talked about at the last couple of
+GECs.
+''Ted Faber'' We're trying to do some relevant end-to-end work. Hook
+up to the DCN, plugged into a DETERLab node on one end, ISI East on
+the other. Working on the expanded authorization work we have talked
+about at the last couple of GECs.