Changes between Version 32 and Version 33 of ClusterDMtg070209


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07/28/09 17:49:25 (10 years ago)
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    8484Plans for Spiral 2
    8585
    86 - Goal is to deploy on buses this summer.  5-6 out of 40 buses in field per
    87   day.
     86- Goal is to deploy on buses this summer.  5-6 out of 40 buses in field per day.
    8887
    89 - Will bring on undergrad projects in the fall from "Intro to
    90   Networking" class.  Imagine only 1 or 2 projects will get far enough
    91   to use the real system.  Have a PhD graduating this year heading to
    92   Arkansas who is expected do experiments.
     88- Will bring on undergrad projects in the fall from "Intro to Networking" class.  Imagine only 1 or 2 projects will get far enough to use the real system.  Have a PhD graduating this year heading to  Arkansas who is expected do experiments.
    9389
    9490- Plan to allow experimenters to access XTend radios
     
    9692- Want 'true and open access to testbed by experimenters'
    9793
    98 - Tutorials on how to use?  May require some separate funding.  Keren
    99   very interested in such a tutorial. 
     94- Tutorials on how to use?  May require some separate funding.  Keren very interested in such a tutorial. 
    10095
    101 - Concern about maintaining documents after publishing.  This is made
    102   more difficult since the prototypes are rapidly evolving.
     96- Concern about maintaining documents after publishing.  This is made more difficult since the prototypes are rapidly evolving.
    10397
    104 - Concern that supporting users will delay system development because
    105   of the need to have a stable system.  GPO thinks projects have
    106   latitude to define the level of stability and support that makes
    107   sense for them.  Currently, GENI is in the 'exploratory prototyping'
    108   phase, likely that composition and design will change over time.
     98- Concern that supporting users will delay system development because of the need to have a stable system.  GPO thinks projects have latitude to define the level of stability and support that makes sense for them.  Currently, GENI is in the 'exploratory prototyping' phase, likely that composition and design will change over time.
    10999
    110 - Anish: We've found that tutorials are good as a way to train PIs
    111   grad students and colleagues.  There's a real cost to keeping it up
    112   but it is in general a good idea.  What events would be a good fit?
    113   Having a pull from users helps a lot. 
     100- Anish: We've found that tutorials are good as a way to train PIs grad students and colleagues.  There's a real cost to keeping it up  but it is in general a good idea.  What events would be a good fit?  Having a pull from users helps a lot. 
    114101
    115 - Chip: one approach is that folks want to use a remote system
    116   initially then make their own local copy.  Anish: yes, that's our
    117   experience but doing 'cross-experiments' has been quite hard.  Not
    118   clear what the benefit is to other users.
     102- Chip: one approach is that folks want to use a remote system initially then make their own local copy.  Anish: yes, that's our experience but doing 'cross-experiments' has been quite hard.  Not  clear what the benefit is to other users.
    119103
    120 - What are the GPO's incentives to get people to do experiments?  Not
    121   much.  The GPO doesn't sponsor research.  This is what NSF does.
    122   The GPO sponsor trial experiments to help shake down the system.
     104- What are the GPO's incentives to get people to do experiments?  Not much.  The GPO doesn't sponsor research.  This is what NSF does. The GPO sponsor trial experiments to help shake down the system.
    123105
    124106        11:30           ViSE project [http://groups.geni.net/geni/wiki/ViSE  wiki][http://groups.geni.net/geni/attachment/wiki/ClusterDMtg070209/vise.pptx  slides] (Prashant Shenoy, Michael Zink, David Irwin)
     
    146128- Discussion on monitoring
    147129
    148 - Jeff: hyperic may be a good tool that uses ganglia to monitor VM
    149   status, can be extended to other things than VM; have a student
    150   working on this; looking for input as to whether this is a good
    151   direction.
     130- Jeff: hyperic may be a good tool that uses ganglia to monitor VM status, can be extended to other things than VM; have a student working on this; looking for input as to whether this is a good direction.
    152131
    153 - Ilia: have looked at PCP for a monitoring system.  some concern that
    154   Hyperic may have an uncertain future as it was acquired last month.
    155   have indicated to GMOC that there is a strong preference to
    156   developing a SOAP interface
     132- Ilia: have looked at PCP for a monitoring system.  some concern that Hyperic may have an uncertain future as it was acquired last month.  Have indicated to GMOC that there is a strong preference to  developing a SOAP interface
    157133
    158134- Heidi: need to think about what data you want to expose and share
     
    177153- Discussion of Spiral 2 Capabilities  (see Harry's notes)
    178154
    179 - Chip: central goal of Spiral 2 is live experimentation; won't be
    180   easy; everything else is secondary
     155- Chip: central goal of Spiral 2 is live experimentation; won't be easy; everything else is secondary
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    182 - Experiments: Want to see experiments of end-to-end systems, e.g.,
    183   matching networks with servers, sensors with clouds, content with
    184   buses, radars & buses
     157- Experiments: Want to see experiments of end-to-end systems, e.g., matching networks with servers, sensors with clouds, content with  buses, radars & buses
    185158
    186 - Identity management: DOME plans to plug into some foreign
    187   authentication manager.  GPO plans to try to go to Shib & InCommon,
    188   since it looks like it might take hold broadly.  Rough mental model
    189   is that in the early days, almost anybody can use this.  Need ways
    190   to say 'these people are out' but probably don't need elaborate
    191   policies early on.  GPO is interested in knowing whether folks
    192   believe moving to Shibboleth is a bad idea.  Shib has been most
    193   successful for managing user access to a portal, seems good for GENI
    194   as far as that goes and that's what ORCA uses it for.  What that
    195   user is allowed to do is another issue and not currently handled by
    196   Shib attributes.  Shib is only starting to handle delegated
    197   authority, still early days.
     159- Identity management: DOME plans to plug into some foreign authentication manager.  GPO plans to try to go to Shib & InCommon,  since it looks like it might take hold broadly.  Rough mental model
     160  is that in the early days, almost anybody can use this.  Need ways  to say 'these people are out' but probably don't need elaborate policies early on.  GPO is interested in knowing whether folks  believe moving to Shibboleth is a bad idea.  Shib has been most  successful for managing user access to a portal, seems good for GENI  as far as that goes and that's what ORCA uses it for.  What that  user is allowed to do is another issue and not currently handled by Shib attributes.  Shib is only starting to handle delegated  authority, still early days.
    198161
    199162- Improved integration. 
    200163
    201 - Need to improve distribution of keys to containers.  Currently
    202   manual, ugly, error prone, requires documentation but will work
    203   until container reaches 10's.  Currently no privacy.  Could be added
    204   by using HTTPS on transport.
     164- Need to improve distribution of keys to containers.  Currently manual, ugly, error prone, requires documentation but will work until container reaches 10's.  Currently no privacy.  Could be added by using HTTPS on transport.
    205165
    206166- Measurements
    207167
    208 - DOME collects location information on buses but needs a solution on
    209   providing it to GENI users.  Has also been thinking about
    210   longitudinal studies, Brian will send Chip a copy of a paper.
     168- DOME collects location information on buses but needs a solution on  providing it to GENI users.  Has also been thinking about  longitudinal studies, Brian will send Chip a copy of a paper.
    211169
    212 - ERTM will prototype hardware, interface it with BEN, integrate with
    213   ORCA.
     170- ERTM will prototype hardware, interface it with BEN, integrate with  ORCA.
    214171
    215172- Interoperability.  Want to avoid CF balkanization.